Welcome to September, when summer vacations end, people return to work or school, and in general life returns to normalcy. Nancy LeTourneau and Kevin Drum have suggested this change in the calendar could turn the page on summer phenomena like the rise of Donald Trump, since, you know, real stuff is going to start happening and soaking up media coverage.

In this week’s episode of BloggingheadsTV, Paul Glastris and I debate that proposition.

Later in the episode Paul and I talk education policy with Kevin Carey of the New America Foundation. You can go here to watch the whole video; we’ll probably feature a clip later.

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Ed Kilgore is a political columnist for New York and managing editor at the Democratic Strategist website. He was a contributing writer at the Washington Monthly from January 2012 until November 2015, and was the principal contributor to the Political Animal blog.